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  • 241 Repower opinions...

    I can't believe I am doing this, at least here and not THT, but I do want repower opinions for my new to me bracketed 241. This is going to happen, but I have changed my mind a million times.



    I have stated many times that I think all manufacturers are now making good motors, so this isn't really a brand debate. Based of price and near by resources I am pretty sure I will be going Suzuki. The closest shop to me, owned by a friend, is Yamaha and I will certainly consider, however based off price differential I would need low hr used motors which aren't as common as you would think.

    I have gone back and forth from 300 to 350 and twins 150-200. As you would expect weight is a concern. Weight of current motors is just under 800lbs and I'd prefer to not exceed that by much. Any single option is under, and with twins the weight difference with new I-4's is manageable. I would really like to get new power, therefore price has me leaning towards 150's or 300.

    I have read all the pro and cons and comparison articles I could find. I have read every post about Suzuki 350, and most posts about twin repowers (smaller engines) on THT. My initial thought was I would need 200's, but the more I research I do not know why 150's would not work? I have a book full of performance bulletins with what I would consider comparable boats that see great numbers with 150's; Bluewater 2550 and Dusky 256 are both bracketed and bigger and 50mph boats. The Grady 257 and Contender 27 often come with 150's.

    I know gear ratios are different and Suzuki's typically turn a larger prop. Is that an advantage for a heavy deep v hull? Does single vs twin come into play?

    I have seen performance numbers from 241's with single 300 and 350, none are bracketed, and I believe I would be happy with those numbers. I would love to find some info on 241B with twin 4 strokes.

    My fishing style and boat use isn't really going to change, my crew is just growing up. Sure there will be occasion of offshore adventures, but the majority of my fishing will be same areas and type of fishing I have done with single engine 224.
    \'93 241 https://forum.classicmako.com/forum/...etting-started
    \'82 224 - Mobile, AL Gone but NEVER Forgotten - https://forum.classicmako.com/forum/...indshield-tank


  • #2
    I think if youre OK not having the redundancy of twins then a big single would be the ticket. Mike at outboard specialties said my 261 did right about 50 with a pair of zuke 175s. I dont know if you dive but if you do there is a lot more useable platform with a single vs twins. I think in every single vs twins comparison I saw a single jumps up quicker and twins are slightly faster top end
    1989 Mako 261[br]SOLD - 1987 231 restore/rebuild http://classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=46836&whichpage=1[br]

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    • #3
      quote:


      Originally posted by ChuckB



      My fishing style and boat use isn't really going to change, my crew is just growing up. Sure there will be occasion of offshore adventures, but the majority of my fishing will be same areas and type of fishing I have done with single engineid="red"> 224.


      Your answer is in your own post.
      David, New Kent, Va[br]



      [br]Project Thread: http://www.classicmako.com/forum/top...TOPIC_ID=21067[br]

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      • #4
        My neighbor and fishing buddy has a 29 Sailfish and Artie is just 45 minutes away, so I have better deep water options than my 241 []
        \'93 241 https://forum.classicmako.com/forum/...etting-started
        \'82 224 - Mobile, AL Gone but NEVER Forgotten - https://forum.classicmako.com/forum/...indshield-tank

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        • #5
          quote:


          Originally posted by ChuckB


          My neighbor and fishing buddy has a 29 Sailfish and Artie is just 45 minutes away, so I have better deep water options than my 241 []



          Agree, except Art has stars in his eyes[:0]
          David, New Kent, Va[br]



          [br]Project Thread: http://www.classicmako.com/forum/top...TOPIC_ID=21067[br]

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          • #6
            In case you do decide twins, I used to have twin F150's on my 241 and it moved just fine. I now have F200's with bigger props and have a higher top end, better fuel economy with a lower rpm cruise at same speed.
            [br]Mako 241[br]Winter Garden, FL

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            • #7
              quote:


              Originally posted by bighamlin


              In case you do decide twins, I used to have twin F150's on my 241 and it moved just fine. I now have F200's with bigger props and have a higher top end, better fuel economy with a lower rpm cruise at same speed.



              Both sets Yamahas? Either the newer/lighter I4 engines? Do you recall performance numbers with the 150's?

              That kinda lead me back to the Suzuki portion wondering if gear ratio and larger props were an advantage.
              \'93 241 https://forum.classicmako.com/forum/...etting-started
              \'82 224 - Mobile, AL Gone but NEVER Forgotten - https://forum.classicmako.com/forum/...indshield-tank

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              • #8
                How often do you use the twins to make maneuvering easier? My 260 is the first boat I've had with twins, and the maneuvering ability is a nice feature.
                Rick Loszewski[br]Derry, NH

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                • #9
                  You want either twins or a big single? I think the Zuk 350 is the compromise, it's big and has 2 props []

                  I think Yami's are overpriced. When my HPDI blows I'm going with either a Zuk 300 or 350 depending on the price difference...
                  [br]Michael R. Delgado[br]1972 Mako 22[br]http://classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15745[br]1976 Mako 25[br]http://classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18013&SearchTerms=mako,25[br]

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                  • #10
                    "Both sets Yamahas? Either the newer/lighter I4 engines? Do you recall performance numbers with the 150's?"

                    Yes, both sets were/are 4 cyl Yamahas. Keep in mind that my boat is very heavy (old picture in post) large top with cobia tower, 12 KW open array, spare props, anchors, fresh water, gear... and numbers are with 188 gal fuel load and in Knots not MPH. So while the numbers below are not impressive compared to a single.

                    150's 15", (WOT=6000), 4000rpm = 22.7 KTS, 1.81 KTM/gal (best)

                    200's 17", (WOT=5700), 4000rpm = 25.5 KTS, 1.77 KTM/gal (comparison)

                    150's 15", 5200rpm = 30.5 KTS, 1.45 KTM/gal

                    200's 17", 4500rpm, 30.3 KTS, 1.60 KTM/gal

                    With either motor, I normally tried to keep my cruise at 1.6 KTM/Gal or better for economy reasons (Middle Grounds or ARS). The 200's have much more speed before the fuel economy drops off. Both motors fuel economy start to drop severely after 4500 rpm, but the 150's do it more severely.

                    Also, twins are a HUGE help in docking, maneuvering, maintaining heading while drifting... (I don't have the new joystick stuff, all manual) Hope this helps.
                    [br]Mako 241[br]Winter Garden, FL

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                    • #11
                      Thanks! Does certainly help.

                      I talked to a local shop yesterday, everyone has an opinion, but that guy said, "with today's efficient and reliable 4 stroke motors I a tell everyone if it can be powered with a single do it". I was surprised to get that from a shop, and assume he has more to gain ($$) with me buying twins. He brought up the maneuverability and acknowledged easier with twins, but feels on a 24' boat it is still manageable.

                      I was also shocked to find, different shop, that a 300 Evinrude is thousands more than a 350 Suzuki. The suzuki is alot heavier and will require steering, but I was still a little shocked by price. I could get a pair of 4 strokes for price of evinrude 300.

                      I'm gather as much info as possible to make best decision for me.
                      \'93 241 https://forum.classicmako.com/forum/...etting-started
                      \'82 224 - Mobile, AL Gone but NEVER Forgotten - https://forum.classicmako.com/forum/...indshield-tank

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                      • #12
                        There is no reason to have twins anymore for safety. Motors these days are so much more reliable. I've been stranded 35 miles offshore once and it was with twins. My local Seatow guy said if he can get the call as to where we are he will come. As a numbers guy your decision will be a single.
                        1978 Mako 25 - Blind Hog
                        1985 Mako 20c - sold
                        Fort Walton Beach, FL
                        http://www.classicmako.com/forum/top...TOPIC_ID=42841

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                        • #13
                          Chuck,

                          Id take a long hard look at a late model used F350 (C) latest gen.

                          Good deals to be had on these powerhouses.

                          Theres one listed now on THT with a couple more years of warranty for 11k

                          If Im everblucky enough to find myself with another 25 thats exactly the engine I would hang.

                          Matt

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                          • #14
                            Chuck,

                            Id take a long hard look at a late model used F350 (C) latest gen.

                            Good deals to be had on these powerhouses.

                            Theres one listed now on THT with a couple more years of warranty for 11k

                            If Im everblucky enough to find myself with another 25 thats exactly the engine I would hang.

                            Matt

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                            • #15
                              I'd stick close to the rated power on the boat so the motors aren't struggling when you load up. A 300 single would be the smallest I'd go and with twins I'd target 2 X 200hp to make up for the extra weight and extra gearcase drag. I'd get more quotes from other dealers to make sure you're getting the best deal you can.

                              Ever think of twin Etecs I'm running twin Etec this winter.[]



                              D-
                              Current Mqko - 1990 Mako 211 w/2006 250 E-TEC. http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6226. [br]- Previous Makos 1987 20C, 1979 23\' IB, 1970s 17 Angler

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