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    After spending money on new cushions and getting transom repainted, I put the 224 in the shop to get the motor a 1 over; new plugs, compression test, and computer read out. New plugs installed, compression 115 across board (except 1 cylinder @ 117), and motor has just over 600 hrs; runs strong. All good.

    Except...there is a top motor mount bolt visibly broken off. I give the okay for the expensive task of removing the head and repairing broken bolt at the top of the motor mount. Turns out the bolt holes for the bottom of the motor mount are wallowed out. I not familiar with that portion of the motor, but assume those holes are part of midsection assemble that motor mount bolts to. Based off the cost of parts and man hrs to do the job the shop is recommending NOT fixing the motor.

    I don't know what to do. Total repair would be north of $3k and certainly wasn't part of the plan. Any idea what my boat is worth w/o power? What the head of strong running '04 200 with rebuilt EMM is worth? I'm thinking that will be an even bigger hit because selling a boat without power decreases the value of the boat. I have two strong running '93 200's on the 241 that I could put 1 one and sell all so buyer has a spare, but believe I'd do better selling those as a complete pair. Plus all this effects my purchase power for the 241 repower.

    Boat is solid and in good shape for age; all the work is documented here on the sit. Trailer is solid and has new rubber, and I have a new 741xs still in the box.
    \'93 241 https://forum.classicmako.com/forum/...etting-started
    \'82 224 - Mobile, AL Gone but NEVER Forgotten - https://forum.classicmako.com/forum/...indshield-tank


  • #2
    That is a common failure on those engines. I cant believe its a 3k repair. One of our old members from up in Michigan had the same thing happen and he fixed it himself for reasonable money...I will try and get him to chime in....

    dave
    [br]1994 Mako 215 Dual console Optimax 225[br]1978 Mako 19 with 90hp johnson[br]1996 Mako 22[br]1982 Mako 171 Angler 135 Black Max Mercury[br]1987 21b 225 Yamaha[br]1974 23 inboard Gusto gone.[br]1979m21 225johnson \"blue dolphin\" bought off this board and restored [br]with everyone\'s help!!Gone but not Forgotten....[br]1979 20 Mako 115 Suzuki gone[br]1977 19 Mako 115 Johnson gone[br]1976 23 Mako twin 140 Johnsons gone[br]1983 224 with closed transom and bracket[br]And 162 SOB (some other boats)[br]Venice Florida, Traverse city Mi.

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    • #3
      I would think that there would be a lot of mid sections laying around.
      2007 Everglades 243 250 Suzuki[br]1988 201 Yamaha 200 - Sold[br]1990 261 T/200 SWS - Sold[br]1978 25 225 Johnson - Sold[br]1975 20 85 Merc - Sold[br]Jacksonville, FL[br]

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      • #4
        Well that stinks, Chuck.

        No midsections on Ebay?

        If you're going to take a hit on this, I'd take it as a sign and make progress on the 241 repower. Not many guys want a boat in pieces or without a seatrial. I say either find a blown motor and swap the powerhead or throw a yami on and sell the boat. Sell the other yami separately and put all proceeds to the single Suzuki 350
        [br]Michael R. Delgado[br]1972 Mako 22[br]http://classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15745[br]1976 Mako 25[br]http://classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18013&SearchTerms=mako,25[br]

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        • #5
          Thanks Dave. I plan to talk to the shop in MS for a quote and talk to my fishing buddy that is a BMW mechanic; he loves tinkering with outboards, has the facilities to work on, and has free time during Holidays.

          This is definitely an unexpected blow. I knew motor was running strong, and simply put in shop to prove to potential buyers. Im looking at from every angle and it still seems financially the best option is to repair. Selling boat without power will be more than a $3k blow, and this boat preforms great with this motor. If there were other issues or if it had 2000 hrs it would be hard to justify, but motor runs strong, just got clean bill of health, and is low hours.

          I have to put dreaming and 241 plan on hold until this is resolved which sucks. Ive been researching 4-strokes and stero options all week. If I can still make it work, I really think I want to go with twins when I repower.
          \'93 241 https://forum.classicmako.com/forum/...etting-started
          \'82 224 - Mobile, AL Gone but NEVER Forgotten - https://forum.classicmako.com/forum/...indshield-tank

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          • #6
            I am a proponent of big single over twins. My 2550 pursuit runs fine with a single 225 Tohatsu.(honda) We cruised out 16 miles yesterday fished 5 different spots, and cruised in. I run 4000rpms and it gets me 30 mph. I typically use 10 gallons of fuel on a day like this. I do not let the engine run while fishing unless its just a short moment to see if any one is home.

            Because of cost and prior experience, I would be looking pretty hard at the Tohatsu or Honda 250 engines...better fuel economy than some others and very reliable. I have 5100 hours on my old 225 honda up north. It was on my Pursuit for a few years and before that it was on a sheriffs boat.

            Lets face it. 30mph is a decent cruise speed and 3.2 MPG is pretty good milage. If you shop it right you can get a new 250 tohatsu for 15 grand. My neighbor did and loves his as much as I love my 225....
            [br]1994 Mako 215 Dual console Optimax 225[br]1978 Mako 19 with 90hp johnson[br]1996 Mako 22[br]1982 Mako 171 Angler 135 Black Max Mercury[br]1987 21b 225 Yamaha[br]1974 23 inboard Gusto gone.[br]1979m21 225johnson \"blue dolphin\" bought off this board and restored [br]with everyone\'s help!!Gone but not Forgotten....[br]1979 20 Mako 115 Suzuki gone[br]1977 19 Mako 115 Johnson gone[br]1976 23 Mako twin 140 Johnsons gone[br]1983 224 with closed transom and bracket[br]And 162 SOB (some other boats)[br]Venice Florida, Traverse city Mi.

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            • #7
              Sell me the 241 and then you can re-power the 224. All the years I have heard you talk about a big single you are now feeling like a twins guys. Interesting. Sorry to hear about the issues.
              [br]1984 Mako 224[br]1977 Mako 15[br]Clermont, Florida- [br]http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=37212 -Rewire[br]http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=40627 -Tank/Misc[br]http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=58615 - Aft Box removal

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              • #8
                I think I might list it like it is, at least for a while. You might run into the guy who would be glad to pay a little less and be able to fix it himself.
                David, New Kent, Va[br]



                [br]Project Thread: http://www.classicmako.com/forum/top...TOPIC_ID=21067[br]

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                • #9
                  I'm with TC, list it for a little less then you want and see what happens. It certainly stinks that it happened as it sounds like other then that, the motor is in perfect health.
                  1978 Mako 25 - Blind Hog
                  1985 Mako 20c - sold
                  Fort Walton Beach, FL
                  http://www.classicmako.com/forum/top...TOPIC_ID=42841

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                  • #10
                    Chuck,

                    I had Dave's 04 250. It broke while under way on the water. Consider yourself lucky!

                    It wasn't too bad of a job on mine. I used a cherry picker or hydraulic engine hoist and picked the engine by the flywheel like the manual said to. Once it was on the hoist I was able to separate the motor from the mount. I had cobalt drills and ez outs ready to go but to my surprise there was enough bolt left sticking out to get Vise grips on it and it turned out.

                    If the holes are that wallowed out you could drill it out and put a bushing in the hole....

                    I feel your pain and the best thing is to send that motor down the road!
                    [IMG=left]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/cmcmjk/xsmallmimako10.jpg[/IMG=left]Mike & Cynthia[br]Word Cat 250dc[br]Elk Rapids, Michigan

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                    • #11
                      would have to verify fit but this might work?

                      https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Evinru...ej2A:rk:7:pf:0

                      the motor mount bolts breaking is pretty common due to hydrogen embrittlement, an issue with the choice of alloy in this environment

                      had to replace the mount and bolts in one of mine, wasnt too bad a job

                      http://www.classicmako.com/forum/top...TOPIC_ID=49199
                      76 25 \"Aenigma\"[br]73 17[br]Richland/Long Beach, MS[br]http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14182[br][br]17 project[br]http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=56176

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                      • #12
                        quote:


                        Originally posted by Triplecrownnc


                        I think I might list it like it is, at least for a while. You might run into the guy who would be glad to pay a little less and be able to fix it himself.



                        I agree with Dave. Also wouldnt hesitate hanging one from the 241 on it, selling other and parting out the other. From my perspective I dont see where this would effect the purchase of new power.

                        Sorry you ran into it. Slight setback for sure but it will work out
                        1984 Mako 238 WA [br]2015 Suzuki 250 APX[br]Central PA/OCMD[br]http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35081[br]

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                        • #13
                          Update....I planned to get boat Saturday morning with head and midsection removed from the motor, and pay for 4 shop hours. There was a communication error at the shop, and the motor was put back together with upper motor mount repaired. I'm not confident with all I was told; never got written estimate (requested) and was told in conversation about the great deal they have on a mercury 4-stroke [}]. I have the boat; she looks great, motor fires off and runs great, and there is zero play in motor. Print out reads just as expected with 660 total hours. I have talked to another shop and will take and put inline tomorrow. I will pay for another inspection because I will sell in good faith.



                          Mako double stack. I can't wait until big boat photos as well as the 224...



                          Ran 3 200's on the muffs today, bet my neighbors love my 2-stroke collection [].
                          \'93 241 https://forum.classicmako.com/forum/...etting-started
                          \'82 224 - Mobile, AL Gone but NEVER Forgotten - https://forum.classicmako.com/forum/...indshield-tank

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                          • #14
                            Glad it worked out a bit better than thought. Hopefully they did a quality repair and it was fair...

                            dave
                            [br]1994 Mako 215 Dual console Optimax 225[br]1978 Mako 19 with 90hp johnson[br]1996 Mako 22[br]1982 Mako 171 Angler 135 Black Max Mercury[br]1987 21b 225 Yamaha[br]1974 23 inboard Gusto gone.[br]1979m21 225johnson \"blue dolphin\" bought off this board and restored [br]with everyone\'s help!!Gone but not Forgotten....[br]1979 20 Mako 115 Suzuki gone[br]1977 19 Mako 115 Johnson gone[br]1976 23 Mako twin 140 Johnsons gone[br]1983 224 with closed transom and bracket[br]And 162 SOB (some other boats)[br]Venice Florida, Traverse city Mi.

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                            • #15


                              Looks like a Destin Mako convoy...but only in your driveway...where's the Sand Bar??? []

                              Always liked your 224 Chuck.
                              A wise man once said, "Son... if it has tits, tires or a transom... sooner or later it's gonna give you problems." -the old man

                              1972 Classic Mako 19
                              https://forum.classicmako.com/forum/...t-squot-ole-19

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