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    Hello Everyone, I have still been looking for the right first boat on and off. I was really set on a 20C but decided to look at 21 just out of curisoity and I came across 78ish 21 footer. The owner says its a 77 but I thought i read on here the first 21's started in 78. Below i will post the ad and I will try to ad a picture.

    Heres what i want out of the boat. I want something that is sea worthy or close to it, I will be able to learn and eventually it will turn into a project. A 21 i can still launch myself but will take getting use too. I love fishing the shallows and with a draft of 12" on the 21 I'm sure I will be ok. Also i would love to go offshore on very calm days don't really like going out when seas are over 1-2 feet even though i know a 21 will handle that just fine. Also want to be able to go lobstering when its season and of course the weekend cruise with the family. Im not sure what the max person is for a 21.

    From what the owner told me the floors and transom are solid. it looks like the boat just needs some TLC and cleaning up. the floors still look like the original yellow floors but the fuel tanks were replaced 8 years ago, so I'm assuming the floors were done at that time. Trailer looks like it needs work also. Please if there is anything I'm missing or I'm wrong about please let me know. And if there is anything else i should ask please tell me. Thanks in advance for all your help guys.

    $5000

    - New Bimini 2017

    - New Spark Plugs

    - New Fuel filter

    - New Fuel water separator

    - New Trim tilt lift installed 2017 (Installation caused a slight shake when the engine goes down for a second, mechanic told us it will work itself out).

    - Lower unit oil changed 2017

    - Comes with GARMIN Fish finder, Boat cushions, Trailor (25')

    - Johnson 200hp 2 Stroke engine (96')

    - All lines with front and back anchors.

    - Boat bumper, oil container for fuel mixture, funnel, remaining oil stays with boat.

    - 80 gallon fuel tank (Added 8 Years Ago)

    - 2 new batteries purchased middle of June.

    - New LED break lights added to trailer 2017

    - 2017 annual boat parking permit on trailer.

    - Engine runs great, and like any boat it could always use a little touch up here and there.



  • #2
    Looks like my 79. Great boats that are good offshore and inshore. The trailer would concern me just looking at the picture. do you have someone else that could look it over and give you an opinion? Maybe a Dealer your comfortable with, or local mechanic?

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    • #3
      quote:


      Originally posted by Dogman18


      Looks like my 79. Great boats that are good offshore and inshore. The trailer would concern me just looking at the picture. do you have someone else that could look it over and give you an opinion? Maybe a Dealer your comfortable with, or local mechanic?



      Yes I have buddy thats a local boat mechanic that will go with me, I agree with you on the trailer.

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      • #4
        Boat does not look in bad shape from the one photo.

        The floors do not have to be replaced in order to replace the fuel tank, so they may be original.

        On the 21, check the console area on the side and forward on the floor for soft spots. Some had a dip in front of the console along centerline.

        There should only be one fuel tank.

        Decent price if it is all in decent shape.

        Where are you located?
        \'07 Mako 19 bay, sold[br]\'76 Mako 21, sold[br]\'77 Mako 21, dump[br]\'77 Mako 22, sold[br]\'80 Mako 23 WA, sold[br]\'82 Mako 21, sold[br]\'85 Mako 254 currently[br]\'78 J24 USA 292 (sold)[br]\'05 Melges 32 racing sailboat

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        • #5
          quote:


          Originally posted by thejeepguy87


          Boat does not look in bad shape from the one photo.


          The floors do not have to be replaced in order to replace the fuel tank, so they may be original.

          On the 21, check the console area on the side and forward on the floor for soft spots. Some had a dip in front of the console along centerline.

          There should only be one fuel tank.

          Decent price if it is all in decent shape.

          Where are you located?


          Thanks for the tip jeepguy, I will definitely check that out. He is negotiable so hopefully I can get it for a little less. I am in west palm beach FL.

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          • #6
            Good luck

            Walk around the deck and see if you can feel any soft spots. If so maybe not a complete deal breaker. Look over the entire transom for cracks around the cap. Probably will have a few at the corners. Just make sure they are not too big. Check front of the keel and along chine edges for major gouges. See if your buddy can do compression check on the motor
            1984 Mako 238 WA [br]2015 Suzuki 250 APX[br]Central PA/OCMD[br]http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35081[br]

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            • #7
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              Originally posted by brando


              Good luck

              Walk around the deck and see if you can feel any soft spots. If so maybe not a complete deal breaker. Look over the entire transom for cracks around the cap. Probably will have a few at the corners. Just make sure they are not too big. Check front of the keel and along chine edges for major gouges. See if your buddy can do compression check on the motor



              Thanks Brando, I believe the transom cap may be enclosed by sheetmetal from one of the other pics is saw. Ive got to make a list of all the things you guys are pointing out to look at.

              Should I worried if the floors are original? Even if they are no soft spots its still roughly 40 years old.

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              • #8
                quote:


                Originally posted by brando


                Good luck

                Walk around the deck and see if you can feel any soft spots. If so maybe not a complete deal breaker. Look over the entire transom for cracks around the cap. Probably will have a few at the corners. Just make sure they are not too big. Check front of the keel and along chine edges for major gouges. See if your buddy can do compression check on the motor




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                • #9
                  Looks pretty typical for an unused boat.imo Just some TLC and she'll look great. They put a ton of Gel Coat on those hulls so a good buffing and wax will get it back to looking good.

                  Walking on the floor will give you an idea as to any soft spots. Definitely have the engine checked and to be safe have the water pump serviced and the gear case lube changed along with the general maintenance needed. Look around as you might find a used trailer cheap.

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                  • #10
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                    [i]


                    $5000

                    - New Bimini 2017

                    - New Spark Plugs - No value Added

                    - New Fuel filter -No Value Added

                    - New Fuel water separator - No value Added

                    - New Trim tilt lift installed 2017 (Installation caused a slight shake when the engine goes down for a second, mechanic told us it will work itself out). Not sure how a shake will work itself out. Check the fluid level

                    - Lower unit oil changed 2017 - No value added

                    - Comes with GARMIN Fish finder, Boat cushions, Trailor (25')

                    - Johnson 200hp 2 Stroke engine (96')

                    - 80 gallon fuel tank (Added 8 Years Ago) - See if you can inspect

                    - 2 new batteries purchased middle of June. Almost a year old. If not maintained I would not consider them new


                    I added the "no value added" comments as this stuff should be done no matter what. I would not trust that it was done especially on a boat I feel needs TLC. I would value the package with the work to be done at about $3850
                    [br]1984 Mako 224[br]1977 Mako 15[br]Clermont, Florida- [br]http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=37212 -Rewire[br]http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=40627 -Tank/Misc[br]http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=58615 - Aft Box removal

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                    • #11
                      If the boat is solid, it does not matter that it is 40 years old.

                      I just raced to Mexico on a 41 year old boat.

                      I would be a bit concerned if there is a large plate on the transom. A lot of people do that to get a few more years out of a wet or rotting transom.
                      \'07 Mako 19 bay, sold[br]\'76 Mako 21, sold[br]\'77 Mako 21, dump[br]\'77 Mako 22, sold[br]\'80 Mako 23 WA, sold[br]\'82 Mako 21, sold[br]\'85 Mako 254 currently[br]\'78 J24 USA 292 (sold)[br]\'05 Melges 32 racing sailboat

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                      • #12
                        I would say yes to the $5000.

                        I bought a 1977 21 Mako here in the Pacific NW 4 years ago, paid $6000. Came with the Venture aluminum trailer.

                        Older mako CC's are rare in this part of the country. Having grown up near Jacksonville, Florida, I always wanted a Mako and jumped on this one when it showed up. 200 Hp Mercury 1997 Offshore that needed some work, hull was sound, but needed some cosmetic work. The original buyer bought it new in Miami and towed it to Tacoma, WA.

                        Below is what it looked like when I got it home. Teak was in sad shape. Also put on a Yamaha T9.9 trolling motor. When the Merc gets tired I will install a 4 stroke 200 Yamaha. This summer I will paint the outside of the hull and re do the bottom paint.

                        I fish the Straits of Juan de Fuca (between British Columbia and Washington) and sometimes run off the WA coast out of Neah Bay.



                        I rebuilt the console, installed new electronics, put in a electronics box, installed a leaning post, electric downriggers and a lot of other things. Painted the inside of the hull.

                        Looks like this now:




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                        • #13
                          quote:


                          Originally posted by snappergapper


                          quote:


                          [i]


                          $5000

                          - New Bimini 2017

                          - New Spark Plugs - No value Added

                          - New Fuel filter -No Value Added

                          - New Fuel water separator - No value Added

                          - New Trim tilt lift installed 2017 (Installation caused a slight shake when the engine goes down for a second, mechanic told us it will work itself out). Not sure how a shake will work itself out. Check the fluid level

                          - Lower unit oil changed 2017 - No value added

                          - Comes with GARMIN Fish finder, Boat cushions, Trailor (25')

                          - Johnson 200hp 2 Stroke engine (96')

                          - 80 gallon fuel tank (Added 8 Years Ago) - See if you can inspect

                          - 2 new batteries purchased middle of June. Almost a year old. If not maintained I would not consider them new


                          I added the "no value added" comments as this stuff should be done no matter what. I would not trust that it was done especially on a boat I feel needs TLC. I would value the package with the work to be done at about $3850



                          Thanks snappergapper for the break down it really helps put into perspective Im planning to look at it next week and go from there.

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                          • #14
                            quote:


                            Originally posted by thejeepguy87


                            If the boat is solid, it does not matter that it is 40 years old.


                            I just raced to Mexico on a 41 year old boat.

                            I would be a bit concerned if there is a large plate on the transom. A lot of people do that to get a few more years out of a wet or rotting transom.


                            Yea Im a little scared to see what maybe lying under that. I dont see any other reason to put that on there but to hide something or just act like a band aid

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                            • #15
                              quote:


                              Originally posted by Woodhunter


                              I would say yes to the $5000.


                              I bought a 1977 21 Mako here in the Pacific NW 4 years ago, paid $6000. Came with the Venture aluminum trailer.

                              Older mako CC's are rare in this part of the country. Having grown up near Jacksonville, Florida, I always wanted a Mako and jumped on this one when it showed up. 200 Hp Mercury 1997 Offshore that needed some work, hull was sound, but needed some cosmetic work. The original buyer bought it new in Miami and towed it to Tacome, WA.

                              Below is what it looked like when I got it home. Teak was in sad shape. Also put on a Yamaha T9.9 trolling motor. When the Merc gets tired I will install a 4 stroke 200 Yamaha. This summer I will paint the outside of the hull and re do the bottom paint.

                              I fish the Straits of Juan de Fuca (between British Columbia and Washington) and sometimes run off the WA coast out of Neah Bay.



                              I rebuilt the console, installed new electronics, put in a electronics box, installed a leaning post, electric downriggers and a lot of other things. Painted the inside of the hull.

                              Looks like this now:






                              Really nice job cleaning her up, if you dont mind me asking what did it cost to repaint the interior of the hull? Im not one for bottom paint especially since it will live on trailer. It would eventually be stripped down and repainted all one color or with a white bottom.

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